08-09-2010
Introduction
Introduction
While it is not a secret anymore that VCE is highly flawed and an unfair system currently in use by Victoria’s secondary education, there appears to be little evidence to support those claims and the evidence (if it can be called so) provided so far, has only appeared in a couple of online forums, letters to the editors and usually from students who “underachieved” (excuse the term) in their final year VCE “studies”. Those students will receive nothing more but a handful of sympathy from their peers, parents or VCE officials, something that doesn’t come in as particularly helpful, and as a further shock they will not be held as credible in their claims, firstly because they “underachieved” and are by majority considered as “less intelligent” and secondly, and more importantly, because students often write about their ordeal in a distressed and enraged state that usually results in invalidating their own valid reasons, or what was there of them that was valid, and effectively turning them into garbage. Such self-perpetuating process of ignorance by both officials and students has continued to hammer down this state’s high school network for more than two decades now, reaching a major peak (or should I say trough) in recent years and resulting in nothing short of educational catastrophe.
There are probably more questions than one could list here without permanent consequences so I won’t mention them all, however I can say for sure that answers have been outnumbered by questions by far. What is the problem? What is the damage caused by the problem? Can the problem be solved? Surely if it’s a problem, there should be someone to receive the blame for the damage already caused? Who will be the whistleblower for all that? Are there any quick-fix solutions for those affected at the moment? Those are only the tip of the iceberg. To deal with such questions one has to have a thorough knowledge of the entire system, rules and regulations and of course some proper evidence to support one’s assertions. Having said that, I am pleased to tell you that I have done extensive research on the topic and I do have a lot of answers, and mind you the evidence to shock you. My credibility is of course out of the question because the evidence is there to speak for itself, along with your own common sense, and as such I would prefer, for the reasons you’ll understand, to remain anonymous.
Students didn't fail the VCE, VCE failed them
What's the problem?
These days everyone seems to know the answer to this question and yet nobody has ever made any hard effort to get down to details. That's because the answer is complicated and has two parts to it – the obvious, and the not-so obvious. The obvious part that most people who were at some point in time involved with VCE can correctly guess is that VCE is simply flawed based on the fact that a huge number of great students leave high school hugely disappointed. Parents, teachers and others affected can clearly see that something is wrong but have no knowledge or resources to appeal for proper answers and are instead left to accept the only two reasons that the officials have provided, those being that the system is highly competitive and that the number of places at tertiary institutions is limited.
This article will dwell deeply into the less-obvious aspect of the answer to that difficult question. The definition of the term “underachieved” (in VCE) can be summed up as follows: To gain an “ENTER score” smaller than what would be adequate for enrolment into the desired tertiary course. To elaborate on the term “ENTER score” as it is popularly (and incorrectly) known let’s start by what it actually stands for: Equivalent National Tertiary Entrance Rank. First of all, let me strongly emphasize that last word: rank. So well hidden within an acronym that, when pronounced, it yields the word “enter” (so ironically convenient) and is further camouflaged by the fact that its range is from 0 to 99.95. It takes a lot of thinking and interpretation for an average high school student to realize that what “ENTER score” really is, is a ladder that attempts to rank students by their educational “achievement” with respect to all other students in the state. Now, that fact alone is enough to make a reasonable person question how students with different subjects can be ranked on the same ranking ladder. To make that easier to comprehend for the general reader let’s take a look at it from a different comparable perspective: That would be equivalent of letting a man do a 50m sprint alongside a swimming pool in which 10 other swimmers would be freestyling for a gold medal. Now, before you start yelling out the “scaling” word let me assure you that I’ve not forgotten that part.
Scaling in VCE is an attempt by the officials to give those swimmers some chance against the sprinter by letting the sprinter start at say, about 50 meters behind the swimmers and then hoping they would reach the finish line together at roughly the same time. While that does indeed do it some justice there is still that undeniable fact that apples are being compared to bananas and that apples will roll easier than bananas due to their different nature. The two cannot go in the same category of competition! To be a little more precise, scaling in VCE is a process wherein certain ranking scales are adjusted for different subjects in order to make some equality amongst subjects based on their difficulty as observed by performance in those subjects (e.g. General high performance in information technology will result in overall scores for that subject reduced).
Let’s take a look at some technical aspects of ENTER, “study scores” (ranks) and scaling. “Study scores” for a VCE unit used in the calculation of ENTER are in the range of 0 to 50 and they are actually a rank rather than a deserved score. Those unit ranks are derived by taking student’s performance from school-assessed coursework and the two examinations and then comparing the three marks (on student VCE certificates only denoted by a letter code, rather than a numerical mark) to marks of all other students in that unit/subject. Students are then ranked in order of best to worst and their scores are taken as a fraction of 50. So, for instance, if a student had a unit score for IT of 95% (this refers to the actual mark that student achieved as in how many things he/she got right/wrong on all his/her assessments, which is also approximately A+,A+ and A+ on the VCE certificate) and that student happened to be the best student in the unit, then his “study score” would be allocated number 50, ranking that student in the very top and giving him “perfect score”, despite the fact that student did not actually achieve perfect score in terms of his achievements in school. Therefore, it is logically and practically impossible for everyone to achieve that “study score” of 50 and it is inevitable that there will be students with study scores of 10/50 or less. Technically speaking, if most students did great at one particular unit, gaining over 70% for all their exams and coursework, some of those students would still inevitably be placed at the “study score” of less than 10 of 50 (despite getting a grade equivalent to a B or so!). If something like that happened to me I can imagine me quitting my education altogether and thinking of myself as one dumb kid who doesn’t belong to school. That example is one of the first here that illustrates how poorly and ignorantly the VCE system was designed.
To make the matters worse, someone smart that was responsible for the development of such a system decided to save the world from unfairness by introducing “scaling” – a process where they actually increase or decrease the given rank. What they were actually doing was to cover up the fact of a flaw which I described in previous paragraphs. Looking back at the IT scenario where most students achieved high marks and with a large proportion of students gaining say, over 90% overall, they would add and remove “points” from the “study score” as necessary in order to balance out the students to some average medium within the particular unit, and also with respect to other units – something the officials are keeping somewhat of a secret so it was difficult to obtain any more in depth information about what their reference points actually are and how the scaling affects all students individually. They did however provide the “Scaling Report” which students can use to see how their raw “study scores” will be affected, something we’ll look into later on in this article. The end result is that students from the same unit/subject can find their “scaled study scores” to differ from their raw scores by different degrees. For instance, a person who gains raw “study score” of 45 might find his/her “scaled study score” reduced by 4, while another student who gains say raw 35 might find her/his “scaled study score” increased by 1! Any attempt to understand such ridiculousness will be met with some ignorant response such as “please understand that what was done was done to make it fair for everyone and to make sure that nobody is left at a disadvantage”.
Having considered all that, those study scores are then combined for all of the subjects (units 3&4) and are translated into the infamous “ENTER score”. How this is done is as follows: First all raw study scores are converted to scaled study scores. The compulsory score used in calculation is taken either from English, English Language, ESL (English as a Second Language) or Literature and is followed by three next highest scores from other units, making it a sum of 4 scores, and then adding only 10% of the fifth or sixth best score if available. The resulting sum is known as Aggregate and is then compared to the Aggregate to ENTER table which is also found as part of the Scaling Report and which gives students approximate ENTER “score”. Important to note would also be that the Scaling Report actually contains averages to closest integer.
To take a look at that whole situation from an alerted perspective, we can see that students from subjects such as Art, Philosophy, Literature and others are being directly compared to students from say Mathematics, Physics, Chemistry and so on. Let’s take a look now at two subjects in particular which are illustrative examples of how one can effectively cheat the system by manipulating this crucial flaw.
Example 1: History vs. Mathematics
A particular student A may have excellent memory skills and passion for arts and sciences and may excel at subjects such as History or Biology, which require a lot more memory than hardcore analytical and problem solving skills, while the same student may not be very good at Mathematics and may find it difficult to analytically solve problems that don’t require a lot of memorization, such as is the case with mathematics. This student has a little secret and I’ll reveal shortly what it is. Say our student A wanted to be an engineer because engineers have high employment rate and generally have a higher pay rate than historians for instance and he also has a little passion for particular field in engineering that doesn’t require a lot of mathematics or physics. Most engineering courses have ENTER score requirement pretty high, especially at bigger and more popular universities, say from 80 to 90+, and in addition to that they ask you to have completed VCE units 3&4 in Mathematics and Physics and sometimes they require study scores of 20-25. Our student A knows that he can try to get a study score of over 20 for those two units, but he also knows that there is no way to get an enter score of over 80 by basing all his effort on the two units that would be pretty hard for him. So what happens is that student A then picks up a few units which he can excel at, such as History and Biology, in addition to say, Math. Methods, Math. Specialist, Physics and the compulsory English. If this student obtains study scores of 25 for all of the units then his ENTER score would be roughly around 65 – insufficient for entrance. However, since this student excels at History and Biology and he can confidently attain 45 for History and say 40 for Biology and maybe 35 for English, with 20 for Math. Methods, 10 for a harder math subject Specialist Maths and say 25 for Physics. The calculation of an ENTER “score” would then be something like this:
Subject | Raw study score | Scaled study score* |
English | 35 | 34 |
History - Australian | 45 | 45 |
Biology | 40 | 41 |
Math. Methods | 20 | 25 |
Physics | 25 | 27 |
Specialist Maths. | 10 | 18 |
Aggregate | 151 | |
ENTER | 87 |
Figure 1 – ENTER calculation table for student A. *Calculations based on 2009 Scaling Report (http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf) by VTAC.
Well done student A! Welcome to Mechanical Engineering at RMIT! Please note the official course description (from VTAC 2010):
Major studies: Aerodynamics, Air-conditioning, Computer graphics, Computer modelling, Computer-aided design (CAD), Design (product development), Electronics, Engine systems and instruments, Engineering (mechanical), Mechanical engineering management, Mechanics (fluid), Mechanics (solids), Mechatronics, Renewable energy studies, Robotics, Sustainable energy systems, Systems design and development, Thermodynamics
Prerequisites: Units 3 and 4–English (any) and mathematical methods (either).
Selection mode: CY12: ATAR and two-stage process with a middle-band of approximately 20%. NONY12: GPA (see institutional page), form. See Extra requirements for specifics.
Middle-band: A study score of at least 25 in specialist mathematics = an aggregate 1 point higher. A study score of at least 25 in chemistry or physics = a maximum aggregate 1 point higher. Consideration may be given to the SEAS application.
Seriously?! There’s no study score requirement AT ALL for either physics, maths or… anything? Sure they give you an extra aggregate point if you get 25 for Specialist Maths but why bother? You can just beef up some more biology and get an excess of 5 aggregate points, or more…
Not to mention the “major studies” field, lots of history and biology related topics in there! Student A is now fully prepared and ready to embark on an engineering course. And that’s me not being sarcastic. Student A is indeed ready to take on the engineering course! Why? Because the engineering course will start from the basics – like any course at university – and everything can be learned if one just follows the lectures and reading materials.
From figure 1 it can be seen how a student can obtain the necessary ENTER to enter into an engineering course without paying much attention to the actual units that are prerequisites AND relevant for engineering. The flaw of this can be further illustrated by introducing student B.
Example 2: Student B and Natural Sciences
Student B is what I would like to call a true student who really likes engineering and has picked up units such as Specialist Mathematics, Mathematical Methods, Physics, Chemistry, Information Technology and English and has a healthy interest in natural sciences and awareness of the world around him, consequently deciding to study all subjects equally. The result of this can be catastrophic because the student may not be able to obtain marks good enough on all his exams because of the inadequate time to “prepare” properly for all of them (preparation for exams is another interesting topic that I’ll discuss shortly). The student may end up getting 25-30 for all his units and in the interest of knowledge and his natural curiosity sacrifice his study scores, while student A for instance would be able to get into engineering with probably 3 times less invested effort and 3 times less gained knowledge and skills relevant to engineering. The following is the ENTER calculation for student B:
Subject | Raw study score | Scaled study score* |
English | 30 | 28 |
Chemistry | 29 | 34 |
Math. Methods | 27 | 33 |
Physics | 29 | 32 |
Information Tech – S.D. | 30 | 27 |
Specialist Maths. | 24 | 34 |
Aggregate | 135 | |
ENTER | 77 |
Figure 2 – ENTER calculation table for student B. *Calculations based on 2009 Scaling Report (http://www.vtac.edu.au/pdf/scaling_report.pdf) by VTAC.
We are terribly sorry student B, you are very bright, motivated, inspired and hardworking student but your efforts were simply not good enough for you to deserve a spot in RMIT’s Mechanical Engineering course, we’ve even given you 2 extra aggregate points for doing hard work in physics and maths but this only raised your ENTER score to 79, and we have some really bright and motivated students with awesome backgrounds in Australian History and Biology who took up all the spots with their 85+ scores....
So, just to sum that up, we have student A whose major subjects are history and biology and who doesn’t care much about the rest, going head to head for an engineering spot against student B who studies all hardcore natural sciences that require extensive problem solving and analytical skills. At the end of the race student A emerges as a clear winner and gets the spot, leaving student B to ponder what has befallen upon him. And this is just a “close call” example – there are examples where the score difference is even higher.
Does that sound anywhere near fair or right, in any way? Believe it or not, such scenarios do actually happen and I have personally witnessed them and spoken to students who were in such ordeals. I cannot reveal the names of those students but I can assure you they exist and they are very real and in fact if you go out there yourself and do some research you will pretty quickly come to realize the same. Most students don’t mind telling you in person how it all happened but would not like for their names to show up online.
Before going onto the third example I would like to address one question that arises from the previous example.
Why do some universities make engineering requirements (as an example) so lenient and rely almost solely on the ENTER “score”?
At first that may seem like a real mystery, but in essence it is a sign that universities have some smart people in their administrative departments. The logic can go as follows: If we assume that the VCE educational system and ranking is truly flawed and corrupt (which it is, hence a reasonable assumption), then how do we get the “right” students into the “right” courses? It’s simple, first tell all the students to attain the highest ENTER score that they can possibly get using any means necessary. Then at the end of the whole charade ask everyone what they want to do with their life. Those who want engineering – great, we have 12000 places at this uni and there are 15000 students who applied for engineering at that uni, so pick the top 12000 students when you sort all the 15000 of them by their rank and tell the others to apply for another course (note: numbers are made-up examples). When students get into their wanted courses they’ll think about whether they like them or not and appropriately change/transfer courses.
Good plan, I thought, but important to realize is that it’s only a band-aid backup procedure for the broken system and also designed to increase university’s revenue as students will still need to repay their debts for those units that won’t even count towards their degrees.
It would be good if everyone did transfer and adjust courses in their first year but that is not the case. It’s probable that more than half of students continue with their courses – particularly engineering, law and medicine – despite the fact that they don’t enjoy them or are for other reasons not suitable/optimal candidates for the workforce. Hey guess what, it’s a free country and people have the right to choose... the only problem with that is that the choice of a choice will only be given to those who get their ENTERs high.
As a further note, most of you do know that medical courses in general have a stricter requirement scheme and specialized entrance tests. This too is a band-aid solution to the VCE problem and it only partially works.
Example 3 –The biggest flaw of them all
If you think that what I’ve mentioned so far was exposing enough then read on and prepare to change your mind. After everything said so far, including incompatible competition and how one can cheat the system by manipulating its flaws and actually take an easy route, or a shortcut if you will, towards a prestigious CSP place at a popular university and the evidence (ENTER calculation tables) to support it, there is indeed one other great flaw which I’d like to mention and this one is more worrying and in fact scary for both students and all of state Victoria.
As an example, we’ll take a particular student C who is somewhat liking natural sciences but not really a great enthusiast and has picked up to do all the same units as student B, except student C decides to prepare for his exams by just picking 3 main units to prepare for and preparing “hard” for them, effectively ignoring the other two which would count only as 10% of the total score (with strong emphasis on compulsory English of course). This is a smart strategy in general, and is probably what I would do if I was to redo my VCE, even though it would still be a sacrifice of the knowledge that one could gain by eliminating 2 units from the study schedule. This half-sacrificial strategy can work properly for some but can have (and does) disastrous effect on most who pick to do it this way. To cut to the chase, all of this in example 3 has to do with exam preparation, or to be more precise; with the forced mechanical exam preparation.
Basically, what is meant by that term forced is that VCE exams are some of the worst-structured exams I have ever seen, and I have inspected high school exams that I have found on the net from high schools in Asia, Europe and America . If you are to succeed at VCE exams you will have to adapt to them, you will have to learn how to solve problems mechanically, you will have to learn all the tricks implemented in those exams which, in my opinion, are based more on the successful recognition of such little tricks and traps than on the actual ability to logically solve problems. That said you will now understand why student C’s only preparation for his chosen 3 (plus English) units will be repetitive attempts at solving past exams and going through commercial “checkpoints”, which also happen to be problems from past exams and problems based on problems from past exams. That kind of preparation requires a lot of time and a lot of work that is nowhere near interesting and what science or any other unit should be like. It is one reason for the mass-stress experienced by year 12 students and the reason for very high rate of failure in life in general by those who roll down that path. It is next to nothing what you will need in real life and university, if you manage to get into one. I am not very familiar with philosophy or languages and other subjects from those areas so I can’t say whether the same applies in those cases, but as for sciences I’m quite sure it is the case and I suspect it would also be the case for a lot of other units.
I have had the opportunity to meet a worrying number of students who could be modeled by student C’s scenario and here is one example. A female student, 19, completed VCE with an ENTER score of roughly 98. She enrolled into University of Melbourne ’s science degree with Maths as major. In her first semester of first year she failed 3 out of 4 units and decided to take a break from university. Year later she didn’t feel like going to university at all and ended up at TAFE doing programming diploma, I haven’t heard from her since and I don’t know if she finished. When I interviewed her she indicated that her mode of preparation for exams was the one described in previous paragraph, involving heavy works on the past exams and checkpoints for Math. Methods, Physics, Chemistry and also English. If you can somehow obtain enrolment records and subsequent progress of students at any science course I’m quite confident that you will indeed find hard evidence of a large proportion of students with ENTER >90 to have failed more than two units in their first year. On the other hand, I have interviewed at least two students who were placed at ENTER of around 70-75 but who have spent a lot more time digging deeper into subjects and paying less attention to the forced exam preparation. Those students excelled at university, with one of them completing his degree at the same time as myself and his average mark for all 3 years of study was 87%, which, at university standards, is extremely good. I could ask his permission for his VCE certificate and university degree transcript to post online and I would probably get it, however a single case wouldn’t be of much use without statistics from at least 100 students from various universities to prove for a significant proportion of such incidences – which I hope will happen one day when someone decides to do something about it.
Such flaw associated with exams, which I’d like to introduce as a term; forced exam, is of great concern for both education and industry, for the obvious reasons: ruined lives and health for students, incorrect mental development, incorrect and virtually useless education, lack of proper preparation for tertiary education, corrupted workforce, mass incompetence at international level and something that I despise of the most – the murder and unjust promotion of science as a dull, uninteresting and repetitive subject.
Can the problem be fixed and are there any quick-fix solutions?
Problem is of hard-crafted nature and it would require significant reconstruction of the entire educational system to solve it – something we are not likely to see any time soon, unfortunately. As for quick-fix solutions – probably not, but I could go as far to suggest the best possible take to give you the best possible chance of avoiding as many problems as possible and getting into the desired course at university.
I have hinted at this earlier and as unfortunate as it sounds (and that’s because it is) the best way for you to approach VCE would be to model yourself as student C. Pick your 3 easiest subjects, making sure you can get the required minimum score for the others (which shouldn’t be too hard), and study them to your liking during year 11 but with only a little freedom in year 12. From year 12 you should start working on past exams and unfortunately train yourself so that you are able to do forced exams at speed and don’t worry if they don’t make sense, are illogical at times and have a lot of traps and tricks, furthermore don’t worry if they sound like nothing you will ever see in real life – all of that is part of the poor design by the VCE exam-writing team of under-skilled professionals whose life seems to have little purpose and/or excitement. Wouldn’t surprise me if they request reimbursement from their employers every year for the anti-depressants they had to purchase.
I say not to worry because your only goal is to get into university. If you manage and try to remember the fun things that you learned by yourself in year 11 and in previous years during which you had more freedom then they will be of great help during your university course. The most useful skills that I brought with me to university would probably be touch typing, programming and ability to understand the underlying causes of physical phenomena (as opposed to brute forcing the problem solving methods). However, year 12 is not meant to teach you anything useful (as far as natural sciences are concerned) but rather to put you through a ridiculous competition process in which you unfortunately have to participate if you want to go to university. Once you eventually enroll into university, you will be surprised to find that everything that you went over during years 10-12 will be gone over during first semester (3 months) and what’s more it will all be explained in 10-times at least better way than what you heard at your high school for the past 2-3 years. Those 3 months will be of great use because everything that you missed on during your forced study in year 12 you will make up for in that first semester. If you don’t believe me you are free to ask other 2nd and 3rd year students or graduates.
Some students have also resorted to cheating in VCE and I don’t blame them. I don’t blame them because the system cheats on them; they find it ethical to fight back. I don’t encourage cheating though as there are serious consequences if you are caught. Nevertheless, I have gathered stories of successful cheaters anonymously and am going to publish them in my next article. They will, however, be considered as nothing more but fiction due to the fact that there is no way to verify others’ claims, but are nevertheless fascinating to hear about whether they are true or not. Stay tuned!
I agree with every touch typed word in this article!
ReplyDeletemost of the people whinging about VCE are the ones who are bitter about their poor performance, just look over all the top students from VCE 1998-2006/7, most of them are doing well in life. It's sad to see people discard the system when it is actually relatively accurate.
ReplyDeleteYou're being talked about! Not really flattering either.
ReplyDeletehttp://forums.whirlpool.net.au/forum-replies.cfm?t=1534539&p=-1#bottom
Does my article count as whinging, or as an attack on the system backed by evidence and reasoning? Either way, my ENTER was 94 so it got me where I needed to go but it still cost me greatly as I was behind in many ways compared to my overseas competition. Thank you VCE, took me some hard work to get back on my feet after that farce.
ReplyDeleteI don't have time atm but would like to join your discussions on whirlpool later, people either seem to have trouble coherently grasping what I said, OR, people are ready to defend the system with blank bullets just because they too lost 2 years of their life doing pointless hard labour and still want to believe that they did the right thing. Sorry guys, we were(are) all in it together, the system is a competition process where education is not a priority - lucky be the ones doing those few subjects where you actually do learn something.
Polymath raises some valid points... I must emphasize 'some'.
ReplyDeleteThe system is fine, it's a step, It's standard and it most certainly is a competition. It isn't fun - It's not meant to be. Another Gen Y expecting everythign for nothing.
Welcome to life...
wait so, the system is fine, is a competition and not fun. i don't buy it. if a country or state is incapable of making an educational system for high school that is useful, fun, engaging and where to compete would mean that students would be looking forward to it then that country has an unsolved issue. i agree with most of the points made and some of this stuff actually crops up every now and then in the age, herald and so on. bottom line; vce needs a change
ReplyDeleteWhy Jack?
ReplyDeleteYou can complete VCE and just get the certificate. If all you want is a high school education then the system is there for you and caters. You don't even need to do the 'FORCED' exams.
If you want a Uni placement then be prepared to compete for your spot. Hence ENTER scores.
No one is forcing anyone to compete. You choose your path and you walk it.
As for this unsolved issue: School is fun, it can be a breeze, it is engaging if you have the right teachers (You can't teach teachers to be 'good' teachers - A lot of it depends on their personality).
Stop bitchin'
go fuck yourself
DeleteYou do understand that what you're saying is analogous to saying something like, let's just take a dramatic example for better illustration: "cancer patient could die from the illness. that's ok, we have a system that caters for it, it's called chemotherapy. if you want to live be prepared to compete with the disease.. although, noone is forcing you, you can choose your path. so stop bitchin' about chemo, it works for some not for others, thers' no need to change anything." technically implying that we should not seek any improvement to it, it works after all, significant proportion of patients benefit from it.
ReplyDeleteso yes, let's just stick with VCE system for now, who cares about the xx% of students whose lives will be ruined forever as a result of it. there'll still be those for whom it worked great.
Jack, asserting that the 'flaws' mentioned in this blog regarding the VCE is leading to lives 'ruined forever' is pretty dramatic.
ReplyDeleteApart from the limits of the current focus on testing for particular educational outcomes on exams, this blog is focussed on university entrance.
Thus, it seems to me that your impication is that a life could be ruined because you don't get into your chosen degree upon graduating.
One read of your cancer analogy reinforces how ridiculous the notion is that lives are 'ruined forever' by the VCE - and that's even if we accept all the blogger's assertions about VCE.
It's 2012 and I'm still loving this article.
ReplyDeleteCircular Logic
ReplyDelete"...most of the people whinging about VCE are the ones who are bitter about their poor performance, just look over all the top students from VCE 1998-2006/7, most of them are doing well in life..."
Doing well because they got into the course they desired at the expense of students who worked harder were smarter but sadly went to public high schools.
Doing well because they came from wealthy families and attended a private school where the teachers were all either present or past examiners and personally know those that set the questions and therefore are inside the elite school "we know what questions are going to come up " loop.
Doing well becasue they attended an elite school where the frequency of special consideration is 6 times that of government high schools, despite the fact that statistically they should be healthier
Doing well precisely because money buys influence and the VCE is freely corruptable by the nultimillion dollar business that today masquades as honest private education
Circular Logic
ReplyDelete"....most of the people whinging about VCE are the ones who are bitter about their poor performance, just look over all the top students from VCE 1998-2006/7, most of them are doing well in life.."
Doing well precisely because they got into the course they desired at the expense of smarter and harder working students from government schools
So true, completely agree with this article.
ReplyDelete3 more weeks till exams guys...I'm stuffed.
ReplyDeletegood luck!
ReplyDeleteThank you! I'm doing VCE at the moment and I have to say I agree with a lot of the topics brought up in the article. While I'm not exactly thrilled withthe current system, it's what we have so I'm going to wait until I've finished with exams to blow up and get mad at VCE completely.
ReplyDeleteI attend a private school and I have to say that I disagree with the Anon above. Yes, some of my teachers are past and current examiners, but they are no more clued in as to what will be on the exams than anyone else. In fact, they hardly bring up what was on when they marked and none of them have ever mentioned knowing anyone who actually wrote the exam. It's actually kind of offencive to assume that the people I attend school with are 'influencing' the results. I know people at the local public schools who are doing far better than I or anyone I know at school, so I'll have none of this nonsense about getting better marks at the expense of others. Special consideration? I attend a private school at a great financial sacrifice to my family. We are classed as low income and it has really caused a lot of problems over the last few years. This leaves me eliagable for special consideration to me made for my results, but it is because of attatudes like that, that I have felt as if I don't have a right to apply. I also know for a fact that the only two people from my school who have applied do need it- One girl who had brain surgery at the start of the year and one boy who had recently lost a parent. It is the circumstances that affect your application for SEAS, not your income.
Yes, a lot of private schools have done well, but please, you almost seem to be implying that we pay off the examiners and prevent people from living the life they wanted.
I think it's false to assume that everyone is ready for VCE at this stage of their lives. A bad VCE result shouldn't be a determinant to your future job prospects or future standard of living; some people are not intellectually mature at that age, experience personal problems, may have bad physical health, bad habits, etc. it's just so much emphasis is put on that 4 digit score that people who don't get a good score, view it as the end; they then refuse to follow their dream; they give up on what they wanted to do, turn their back on their own destiny.. because some teachers or parents told them that this result will determine their life, but this is completely untrue, you can do resit VCE a thousand times, you can transfer from university-to-university, or even TAFE-from-university to get to where you want to be. The fact is, VCE doesn't determine your life, you do. The reason why people who fail in VCE might not get far in life is because they have swallowed the myth that VCE is the only chance you have; no you have thousands of chances to get back on your feet and head towards your dream, it's just that VCE failure puts such an emotional burden that they develop a fear of failure and end up not pursuing their dreams..
ReplyDeleteIn much the same way, VCE success doesn't mean you are more smart, intelligent or intellectual than another person, it just means you had a great work ethic and had developed a good set of habits going into VCE, as well as the resources and tips needed to excel.
If you don't do well in VCE, you must get a piece of paper and examine thoroughly the reasons why you didn't do well in VCE, write down all the bad habits and the bad decisions which lead to a bad or unsatisfying result, and start changing those habits one by one and don't ever repeat those bad decisions again. Only when you learn from your previous mistakes can you truly start to excel in your academic studies.
VCE is indeed broken; my greatest worries are
ReplyDelete- The subjectivity existent in so many subjects. Mostly languages.
- Hard work often doesn't equate to good marks; too much weighs on exams, which essentially destroy your score if silly mistakes are made; an example is Specialist Maths, where the cut off mark for an A+ in exam 1 ranges from 2 to 4 marks. Merely dropping a few stupid marks could destroy chances of obtaining a study score of 40. The difference of four marks in 2011 equate to the difference of A+ to B+.
- With a winner there is always a loser; instead of measuring the intelligence of each individual, intelligence is measured in reference to everyone else.
-Subjects that involve no analytical skill, purely regurgitation.
- The psychological pressure to succeed.
Something interesting is that VCAA believe that the GAT can essentially predict your study scores; the education system has essentially become a miniature scale of the film Gattaca (Where IQ and EQ essentially measure your success in life). Ironically, this very type of dystopia is what VCE English teaches students to condemn and analysis as severely wrong.
I definately agree that the system sucks
ReplyDeleteFor subjects that a greater number of students choose to do, for example, Psychology or Legal Studies even,
It's insanely difficult to obtain a good mark. It seems that no matter how hard you study, the bottom line is that everybody wants to do well, and someone is always going to be better than you.
Another point that the author should be mentioned is the TYPES of questions asked on exams; you're not necessarily smarter than someone else in being able to answer them, it is possible that you may have just studied the right type of the material to get by on your exam. FOR EXAMPLE in my experience, I just happened to get lucky on my first Psychology exam. Everything I had studied was on the exam, I averaged A+'s in all of my sacs, and i was fortunate enough to receive an A+ on my midyear exam. But when it came to the end of year exam, not only was I anxious in knowing that I had done so well on the first exam, the questions on the year exam just so happened to be ones that I had not studied as efficiently as I could have (I had focused on other questions which had happened not to have been asked on that specific exam) and therefore received a B+ on my end of year exam. Should the exam had asked questions that had coincidently resembled questions that I had studied, I may have gotten a better mark on my exam, and this point therefore supports the point made by Polymath in saying that receiving a good (as it's now referred to as) ATAR score does not necessarily reflect how smart an individual may be. Moral of that for me, study EVERYTHING in detail, hahaha.
I think that the authors point also supported with evidence being the scaling down of 'Arts' Subjects.
Although for this reason, 'Fine Arts' subjects do not usually require a higher ATAR for entry into university, in terms of 'doing well in VCE,' subjects such as Drama, Dance, Visual Art, Visual Communication and Design and Product Design are effectively subjects which are 'Scaled Down.' This is because they are perceived to be 'the easier' or 'bludge' subjects. In reality, any subject is as hard as each other in their different ways. The time put into a folio for an arts subject, or the time put into a solo for Dance or Drama may just be as grueling as maybe studying for a Physics or Mathematical Methods exam.
What VCE doesn't account for is the fact that peoples' heads aren't all screwed on the same way, and just because an individual may be more inclined to excel in an analytical subject such as chemistry, doesn't mean they are just as likely to be as successful in life as anyone who is capable of doing just as well in a subject like Food Technology, which gets scaled down by EIGHT. They may end up a world class chef, now might they? Now how is that even fair?
And again, in relation to the point on forced exams, WHAT IS THE STORY WITH LEGAL STUDIES EXAMS and the close to impossible-to-answer complexity of the questions? It's as if you have to be a walking talking legal dictionary to do well in that subject, not to mention a 'better dictionary' than the other competitors in that subject. And even so, most law courses don't even have the subject 'Legal Studies' as a prerequisite for entry in a university course. Maybe I'm biased, but !@#$, good luck to anyone doing legal in VCE...
Either way, I believe that nothing can be done about the system, and regardless of its eccentric ways, we should jsut all try to get through it, whilst doing our best. - Evidently its not entirely impossible to do well in it. Good luck to all! X
Your example of the student who is good at History and Biology is terrible. This is because if he really wanted to be an engineer he would be a complete fool given that he is no good at maths and physics. Also the table of his arbitrary VCE results have been skewed by giving him two maths subjects when he will only need one for a prerequisite for engineering.
ReplyDeleteYou are just an ignorant writer who failed VCE and believes that the kid in your class that destroyed you in meaningful subjects like maths and physics is having a happy life as an engineer while you're sitting at your computer raging about a perfectly legitimate system.
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DeleteThank you! I can not agree more!!
DeleteYes the system has flaws but if you decide to do your education through ATAR, why not use it to your advantage?
I believe that if you want something bad enough, you will work harder than anyone to achieve that goal. And sorry but this means doing all the "forced" work you talk about to play the game.
Whites are smally and stupid!
ReplyDeleteI completed VCE back in the mid 90s. At that point we received a TER, which was a percentile, ranking how well you did compared to only other students completing year 12 that year (so the lowest reported score was 10 rather than 30 as it is now).
ReplyDeleteI'd been a mostly A's student in years 8-10, but by the time year 11 came around, I was a bit burnt out and didn't like the new VCE method of studying at all. My grades (rated by our teachers) dropped to mostly B's, except in English. It probably didn't help that I'd picked some subjects I wasn't particularly interested in (chemistry & physics).
At the start of Year 12 I regained some of my motivation, but it again began to wane by the middle of the year. So, for some subjects, I had quite variable grades across the CATs (as they were known then).
Although I understand the need for scaling, the actual scaling of my VCE subjects didn't always seem right. For example, I scraped a 29 for Chemistry after doing almost no study throughout the year and before the exams (I hated chemistry by then and didn't care how well I went as I knew it would be my 5th subject), which scaled up to a 34. But then my 36 for English (lower than I expected, particularly after getting full marks on my first CAT) scaled down to a 35. I seemed to do much more work/thought I did much better in English (A+, B+, B) than Chemistry (D+, A, C), yet they almost scaled the same.
Luckily, I did just well enough to obtain a round 1 offer in the university course I wanted to do, though it was 0.5 below the clearly-in rank. I would have had one of the lowest TER's for year 12 students admitted into the course, and because of that, I was a little worried about how well I'd do at uni. However, I was finally interested in what I was studying again at uni, and was one of the top students in my course. I loved the more independent learning environment, and that I no longer had to submit draft after draft for assignments with a teacher breathing down my neck.
I agree with your comment about the poor structure of most VCE exams. I remember feeling really pressed for time when I was completing VCE exams. By contrast, for all but one of my uni exams, it felt like there was heaps of time to complete them. In many cases I could go through the exam twice, to check my answers, in the allotted time.
Although I had some stressful moments/all-nighters at uni, it never felt quite as stressful as when I was completing year 12. I think it's ridiculous the amount of pressure that year 12 students are made to feel.
No education system is going to be perfect, every system will have some flaws. VCE is no exception. Generally I find that the students who put in the hard yards reap the rewards. I agree that VCE exams sometimes include little tricks and traps and completely ambiguous questions, which sometimes means some of the better students don't do as well as they expect because they misinterpret a question. It's got flaws, yes, but overall it tends to be a fair system. I've had two children go through VCE, one got an ATAR of 75 and the other got a 97, and i can safely say that they deserved the score they got.
ReplyDeleteATAR is not a score, it's a rank, and an inverse one at that, and you have no way of being the judge of whether or not your children deserved those ranks for the simple reason that you have no way of knowing how everyone else's children performed. What's more, you can't even compare the two children unless they had done exactly the same units, which I find improbable. And finally, you can't say anything about the system based on the results of your two children. To make such calls you have to do either what the author above has done, which is to look at the program objectively and analytically, OR, study a much larger sample of VCE students than what can be deduced from the two of your children. Therefore, I find your comment completely misguided and it is clear from your comment that you do not yet understand the issue at hand.
Delete*everytime I ask a teacher about something slightly irrelevant to the study design*
ReplyDelete"That's not something you need to know for the exam."
*everytime I ask a teacher about something slightly irrelevant to the study design*
ReplyDelete"That's not something you need to know for the exam."
Imo, to fix the problem you've outlined above we must ensure that for certain courses certain (prerequisite) subjects must be counted in the primary 4 for the calculation of the ATAR. That way we can ensure that people don't get in to engineering without being pretty good at maths, don't get into medicine without being good at chemistry etc.
ReplyDeleteOn a side note, at least with the engineering example above there are minimum standards for prerequisites (in maths and chemistry/physics). I know many people who decided to do law (which requires a very high ATAR) who got in with high scores in subjects like spesh/methods/physics/chem and a mediocre english mark. Law should have a "humanities" prerequisite to prevent an influx of these people who are doing law just because they "got the marks".
i'd be fine with VCE if i didn't have to do english
ReplyDeleteI'm doing VCE in 2018. This article is still relevant though we have ATAR scores rather than ENTER. I initially wanted to get into Engineering and have taken Specialist, Methods, Physics, Lit, and Viscom. Changed my mind, want to be a doctor but too late to get into Monash Med. The system is flawed. Ranking me against my cohort is stupid and the education you receive in VCE puts you miles and miles behind your international competitors. I did IB in Primary School and once I entered secondary school in Victoria, I was astonished that I was relearning basic fifth-grade maths in year 7-8. But as someone who does mostly maths/sciences, someone who does mostly hums will beat me out. The Victorian Education system fails you from year 7-12 as they do not take into consideration the years of preparation required for success in VCE.
ReplyDeleteIt's ridiculous that I'm ranked against the entire state. I have to memorise an entire text and produce two literate essays in two hours. You're not testing my writing skills if I'm required to memorise an entire text. You're testing my memory's capability and that puts me at a disadvantage from students with picture-perfect memory.
The ATAR, at the very least, should be a SCORE, not a rank. I don't need to be better than 85% of the state, dare I say the GPA average would be a better indication of how hard working I am. No education system is perfect but considering that is more than enough room for improvement and viable solutions to improve VCE, the change needs to be made. Don't settle for mediocre when you can obviously achieve better.
If the VCE system had to be graded, it would be 50%. It's a passing grade. It's good enough. But, it could be better and if you want to succeed with excellence, it needs to be better. You don't need to set students up for failure because you're content with the minuscule positives of a flawed system.
Apparently if you don't score well you don't get to comment on how crippled this system is. VCAA is Cancer and it makes me hate school, I want education not a regressive, broken system that leaves countless students with anxiety & depression.
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